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Re: Broadband internet as a right

vrypan — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:00:56 -0000

Defining something as a right does not necessarily mean the State provides it for free. But once you define it as such, the State should make sure everyone can have access to it. For example, if there are rural areas where it is not profitable for the private sector to offer the service, the State might subsidize part of the cost to make it viable for the ISPs. Or in the case of poor people, the State might pay for a good enough (1Mb?) broadband connection.

Re: Πώς θα επιλέγατε τα domain names των υπουργείων;

vrypan — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:02:00 -0000

Είχε χαρακτηριστεί σαν spam. Εμφανίζεται τώρα.

Re: Περι ενός domain

vrypan — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 03:44:18 -0000

Δεν είναι μόνο η ιστορία σε τόσο high level. Είναι και π.χ. οι καθημερινές δηλώσεις και ανακοινώσεις. Για μικρά και μεγάλα πράγματα, αλλά σημαντικά κομμάτια της ιστορίας ΚΑΙ εργαλείο ελέγχου.

Re: Περι ενός domain

vrypan — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:18:46 -0000

Δυστυχώς έχεις δίκιο. Το primeminister.gr δείχνει λες και είναι ένα domain που παραλαμβάνει για δική του χρήση ο κάθε πρωθυπουργός... :-(

Re: How to fix URL-shorteners (Scripting News)

kf6nvr — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:46:35 -0000

This was the main problem I saw with this solution, actually. But here's the catch:

Regular Joe user wants to create a short link. Site YYY.com, seeing the light of the short URL future, has shortlinks for all of their stories via ZZ.com/xxx. They control YYY.com and ZZ.com, so can keep ZZ.com up as long as they want. This is great and something Company YYY is providing for all their users. I suspect this is actually the use case Dave envisions, but _every single site has to implement it_ -- that won't happen.

Tech savvy Jane user wants to create a short link. Site RRR.com is old fashioned and only has one set of URLs: extraordinarily long ones. Jane creates JJ.com (using the above method) and creates links to RRR.com. These are Jane's links and these links will work so long as Jane wants. This helps Jane as she can grow her own brand, track how her own links spread, etc, but hurts RRR.com when Jane closes down JJ.com. Jane doesn't care, though. This is not so great, overall, but Jane would prefer this.

Real world users are stuck with link rot at some point. But as Louis Gray pointed out in a recent Google Reader comment, very, very few old links are clicked on.

Re: How to fix URL-shorteners (Scripting News)

vrypan — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:14:53 -0000

I don't think that the short domain should be controlled by the creator of short URLs, but instead by the owner of the (destination) long domain.

That's because the person that's mostly interested in keeping a short URL alive and functional is the owner of the domain it points to. This is how my solution http://urlborg.com/a/urlborg_xml/about/ works. And it's nice, because "regular" users don't have to bother with such things: when the user urlborg.com, the generated short URL will be using a custom short domain, if the owner of the destination URL has registered one.

my $.02

Re: Η απέραντη θλίψη: Vicky Cristina Barcelona

sofiagk — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 04:21:04 -0000

Εμ θλίψη βέβαια. Ουσιαστικά στο τέλος πάλι τίποτα δε μάθανε.

Re: SHORTURL SAVIOR: Bit.ly Swoops in to Save Tr.im

bauserdotcom — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:21:36 -0000

A reference implemetation of the "insurance" script is an excellent idea. You should definitely do that.

Re: SHORTURL SAVIOR: Bit.ly Swoops in to Save Tr.im

daverohrer — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:02:17 -0000

That is true, creating your own does only solve part of the problem. Think about the numbers of links that are created on these services though. If everyone (well not everyone but a good number) suggested links for their own site or used their own services it would prevent a few sites/companies from creating a problem. You cant force people to use any service but you can at least try (Amazon has one http://blog.go2.me/2009/04/amazon-has-integrate... )

Re: SHORTURL SAVIOR: Bit.ly Swoops in to Save Tr.im

vrypan — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:52:25 -0000

I keep hearing the same thing "create your own". This is useless. Do you care more about your links to other pages, or links to your pages? In the second case, it doesn't matter if you have your own shortener: what matters is which one(s) people linking to your pages use.

Re: Η απέραντη θλίψη: Vicky Cristina Barcelona

vrypan — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:14:21 -0000

Και εμένα μου άρεσε πολύ η ταινία. Γιατί θλίψη;

Re: SHORTURL SAVIOR: Bit.ly Swoops in to Save Tr.im

vrypan — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:12:17 -0000

Michael, a webmaster having the mapping of (short,long) URLs and that live in his own domain, could easily write a redirect script in any scripting language. All it takes is enter the pairs in a DB table, read the first one and redirect to the second one. (In order to keep the links working, they don't have to create a full URL shortener that is able to create new short links).

But you are right, urlborg should provide a couple of example implementations, at least in PHP. I'll look into it.

Re: SHORTURL SAVIOR: Bit.ly Swoops in to Save Tr.im

bauserdotcom — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:57:32 -0000

I had not heard of urlBorg.com before this. That's an interesting approach, but it's still got a single point of vunerability in the urlBorg server. If urlBorg dies, the webmasters using the service may "own" a list of links, but they have to come up with their own technical solution for implementing them. It's a weak insurance policy, at best.

A really robust system would require webmasters to run their own "shortening servers" that sites like urlBorg would communicate with via APIs, so that a shortened link can be created via urlBorg, via the local server, or via any other shortener that supports the API. The end result would be that people could use any compatible service to shorten a URI and receive a shortened link on the webmaster's local server.

This would be a difficult system to monetize, though, so it's probably not going to happen.

Re: SHORTURL SAVIOR: Bit.ly Swoops in to Save Tr.im

Stephen Newton — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:02:27 -0000

I followed your link, Vrypan, but didn't see anything about a business plan. That is, how will these services ever develop an income stream? At the moment, as Enrico hints below, they appear to funded by venture capitalists hoping to see them on before the cash runs out. But why should anyone buy up a failing URL shortening service?

Re: SHORTURL SAVIOR: Bit.ly Swoops in to Save Tr.im

greglinch — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:11:57 -0000

I should have read this link before commenting on the other one, haha. But we're on the same page. Good stuff.

Re: SHORTURL SAVIOR: Bit.ly Swoops in to Save Tr.im

greglinch — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:08:27 -0000

I agree. I think a decentralized, distributed model where people host their own URL shorteners is the way to go, like Dave Winer has been discussing. Here's probably his earliest post on the topic:

http://www.scripting.com/stories/2008/01/16/aDe...

Instead of just a few services to rely on, you'd have more of a power-law distribution (yes, I'm thinking of Shirky). There would of course be some power users who shorten more on their domain, but the possibility for a massive loss of short URLs would be greatly diminished.

@Vrypan: Thanks for those links. I'd recommend people check this post, referred to in the second link:

http://www.scripting.com/stories/2007/11/19/cre...

Re: SHORTURL SAVIOR: Bit.ly Swoops in to Save Tr.im

vrypan — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 06:43:37 -0000

How about this? http://vrypan.net/log/2009/04/07/understanding-...

Re: SHORTURL SAVIOR: Bit.ly Swoops in to Save Tr.im

vrypan — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 06:42:09 -0000

I really hope many URL shorteners follow urlBorg.com to allow custom domains, for *the site owners* not the short url creators. http://urlborg.com/a/urlborg_xml/about/

Re: tr.im announces shutdown (Scripting News)

vrypan — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:39:29 -0000

It might be worth having a look at http://urlborg.com/ (using AppEngine). User accounts (allowing to get a full list of your links), optional (per user) url preview, and custom domains.

Re: To fan or not to fan?

vrypan — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 01:10:51 -0000

Αν είσαι από αυτούς που περνάνε πολύ χρόνο στο facebook και το page εμφανίζει τα νέα posts του site (ή γενικότερα updates), με το να γίνεις fan είναι κάτι σαν follow. Βλέπεις τα updates στο γενικό timeline, από κει μπορείς να τα κάνεις like ή share ή να σχολιάσεις. Γίνεται δηλαδή το facebook ένας aggregator.

Re: Τί λέει η Ντόρα;

sofiagk — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:43:53 -0000

με φτιάχνει λέμε το approach σας στα social media - κάνετε και house calls;

ΑΥΤΟ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΚΟΜΜΑ!

Re: Τί λέει η Ντόρα;

vrypan — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:41:20 -0000

ΑΑΒΟΡΑ ΑΝΕΤΑ ΑΒΑΣΑΝΙΣΤΑ, ΣΤΟΝ ΧΩΡΟ ΣΑΣ.

Re: Τί λέει η Ντόρα;

sofiagk — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:06:32 -0000

Thanks :-)

Τα έλεγε από το 2004 μη νομίζεις ότι ξεχνάω και δεν παρακολουθώ - τί δουλειά κάνουμε;

http://www.opendemocracy.net/democracy-open_pol...

Re: Τί λέει η Ντόρα;

vrypan — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:04:03 -0000

για το 3, μπορείς να πάρεις και την άποψη του Miliband: http://www.newstatesman.com/2009/07/john-change... (ψάξε για greece στο κείμενο)

Re: Τί λέει η Ντόρα;

sofiagk — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:45:43 -0000

Καλά το 3 δε θα το ασχολιάσω, δεν έχω άποψη, δεν είμαστε και γνωστοί. Για να το λες μιλάς εκ πείρας.

Το 1 μου λέει κι εμένα κάτι, γράψε στο REC να το κουβεντιάσουμε.

Το 2 το βρίσκω ολίγον κυνικόν, βέβαια πολύ πιθανό. Μόνο που όπως λέει και ο λ:ηρ παρακάτω μιλάμε για τη Ντόρα - που θα έπρεπε να βλέπει δύο βήματα παρακάτω, στην αντιπολίτευση - χωρίς βέβαια αυτό να μην την περιορίζει καθώς παραμένει κυβέρνηση.

Πάντως μην παραβλέπεις την επικοινωνιακή δυσκολία του να στηθεί narrative γύρω από μία πολιτική ταυτότητα που ταυτίζεται με την κυβερνητική δράση - έρχεται βεβαίως και η ώρα του ΠΑΣΟΚ και θα έχουμε καιρό να το κουβεντιάζουμε φαντάζομαι. :-)